Saturday, November 21, 2009

A SPOKESMAN-REVIEW INVESTIGATIVE REPORT

Online chat: 3/9/05

moto-brock and jmselton

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This chat took place through AOL Instant Messenger, where Jim West used the screen name jmselton, an apparent reference to his name, James Elton West. The screen name Moto-Brock was assumed by a forensic computer consultant working for The Spokesman-Review, posing as a teenager online. For more on this part of the investigation, see the story: Online relationships.

motobrock34: hey! :-)
jmselton: hello.
jmselton: one day to go!!!
motobrock34: yesssssss!
motobrock34: my parents are gonna take me out tomorrow night
jmselton: where?
motobrock34: my choice ..... I kinda like Red Robin
jmselton: ah
jmselton: you should go somewhere memorable.
motobrock34: or Black Angus in the valley
motobrock34: at the mall, they have good steaks
jmselton: ever been to Luna's?
jmselton: or Anthony's?
jmselton: or Ankeny's?
jmselton: or Spencer's?
motobrock34: Luna's I don't think so, where is that?
motobrock34: I've heard of Anthony's
motobrock34: but never been to any of those places........:'(
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: Luna's is at 57th and Perry.
jmselton: you like steaks?
motobrock34: yeah
motobrock34: my fav
jmselton: ok, then screw black angus, which is ok, but tell your folks you want to go to spencer's.
jmselton: you will never ever have a better steak and the setting will be one you remember.
jmselton: you're an adult now.
jmselton: go fancy.
motobrock34: Spencers.....is that downtown right?
jmselton: yeah. in the Double Tree
jmselton: melt in your mouth steaks
motobrock34: oh man, thats gotta be pretty expensive then?
jmselton: and what's your point?
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: you dad must have money.
jmselton: didn't you say he sold cars?
jmselton: they make good bucks.
motobrock34: he's a sales manager yeah
jmselton: and when will you turn 18 again.
motobrock34: you're right
motobrock34: I do love steak
motobrock34: they would prolly loike gointg there too
jmselton: i took some out of town friends there. five of us was about $148.00.
jmselton: but then we didn't have drinks.
motobrock34: well, no drinks for me yet anyway
jmselton: you're dad will be blown away by you just saying you want to go there.
motobrock34: yeah, you know, they probably would really like going there themselves
jmselton: have they ever been?
motobrock34: I will ask them to go there then
jmselton: you are so easy.
motobrock34: they probably have, I don't know for sure
jmselton: do they belong to the golf club? or spokane club?
motobrock34: they go out about once a month or so
motobrock34: naw, they are 24hr fitness people
jmselton: ok
motobrock34: my parents are like your basic working class, really nice down to earth people
jmselton: thats cool
motobrock34: and I think they save a lot of thier money for me and college and for their retirment
jmselton: you have a good deal there.
motobrock34: they don't tell me but that's what I think
jmselton: you are smart
motobrock34: I see I can type again tonight! and TY
jmselton: you can
jmselton: how was your math last night?
motobrock34: it's a bitch!
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: I'm in honors math
jmselton: tough
jmselton: but i'm sure you manage
motobrock34: the homework is tough because you have to write the problems out and they take up like two pages just to write out
jmselton: ah
jmselton: beyond me
motobrock34: the answer isn't as important as writing the equation
jmselton: i took calculas in college. first time i flunked and second time i got a's but i can't do that now.
motobrock34: I go from thinking I'm getting an A to thinking I'm getting an F in the same night
motobrock34: but so far so good
motobrock34: I think I'll finish with an A in it
jmselton: good
motobrock34: did you decide what to do about the intenship with your company????
jmselton: i'm still thinking
motobrock34: r u worried cause I'm gay?
jmselton: i may ask a friend to get you an internship with his organization. you might like it better
jmselton: not because you are gay. but because you will know that i like guys.
jmselton: i like you a lot.
jmselton: but i'm also quite a bit older than you.
motobrock34: I understand
jmselton: you are too nice Brock
motobrock34: but you being older is cool, you know so much and have been around, it's great to talk to you because of that
jmselton: thanks
motobrock34: and you have made a success of your life but are like me
jmselton: yes
motobrock34: and kept that part to yourself
jmselton: you know i was married once.
jmselton: for about 5 years.
motobrock34: so you know, you are great to talk to
jmselton: ok
motobrock34: yeah, you told me that
jmselton: ok
jmselton: wasn't sure
motobrock34: it makes me think I shouldn't do that because I was wondering is I would
jmselton: hmmm
motobrock34: if, not is
motobrock34: if I would
jmselton: you know you might actually find a woman that you like a lot and i do miss not having kids. or at least a neat kid like you.
motobrock34: geeeze, thank you
motobrock34: yeah, that part I might miss, but I don't think I'd be a good husband
jmselton: just because you think you like guys sexually doesn't necessarily mean that you won't like girls that way too.
jmselton: there might be that one special girl out there some place.
jmselton: many guys go both ways.
motobrock34: maybe so, but it doesn't feel like that inside....maybe so if I ever met that person
motobrock34: I go out with girls sometimes now you know
jmselton: did you grow up thinking that sex before marriage was a bad thing?
motobrock34: good question. Kinda but I don't know, my parents never really preached to me about it
motobrock34: I think its more that I see with oter people when that happens, the girl sometimes get really attached and I KNOW for sure tat would bug me
motobrock34: I've seen that happen with some friends and the girls wouldn't leave them alone afterward
jmselton: i don't think its a good idea but sometimes i think my efforts to resist might have contributed to my liking guys easier. with a guy sexually there isn't the same level of commitment. like if you have sex it doesn't mean you have to marry him. with a girl it seemed like the right thing to do was marriage if you wanted sex.
motobrock34: and that would bug me
motobrock34: yeah, I guess that's kinda what I see
motobrock34: and the idea of being tied to a girl in that way is not appealing to me
jmselton: but then many gay guys drift from one sexual experience to another and thats how disease is spread.
jmselton: see you sound like me. commitment to one person seems a burden when I want to do so many things. and be totally independent. may be way too selfish but thats me i guess.
motobrock34: lol...I totally understand
jmselton: you are too smart for a kid of 17
motobrock34: but also, maybe it's not that selfish because I really don't think I would be a good husband for those reasons
motobrock34: and why hurt some girls feelings that was just wanting to have a nice marriage with kids and a husband
jmselton: and you think maybe it would be selfish to be married and not mean it.
motobrock34: yeah
motobrock34: I kinda think that
jmselton: yeah
jmselton: i worried about that when i was married.
motobrock34: especially if you had to get divorced larter and stuff
motobrock34: my parents have been togther the whole time
jmselton: but then i didn't admit to myself that i really liked guys until after our divorce. i would look at guys but never thought about sex with them.
motobrock34: and I think thats kind of cool
jmselton: your mother is going to want a grandkid you know.
motobrock34: I know
jmselton: mine did
motobrock34: I do know about that
motobrock34: that is why I was wondering if I would get married anyway
motobrock34: man, it's a tough deal
jmselton: it is
jmselton: but you have to do whats right.
motobrock34: but WHAT is right?
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: that is the question
jmselton: ah the question.
motobrock34: if I had bros and sisters it wouldn't be as big a deal
jmselton: ah,
jmselton: well my generation always said if it feels good do it.
motobrock34: well, I think having kids would be cool, I know my parents would want that, but I don't know about the girl I would marry and how happy she would be being married to someone who wanted to be with guy instead of her
motobrock34: and then if you get divorced your kids are not happy, you know
motobrock34: the whole deal
jmselton: true
motobrock34: i guess for now I should just worry about my freaking math homework
jmselton: and you lived a lie
jmselton: that is true
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: what are you bothering me for.?
jmselton: ;-)
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: hopefully all that stuff will just work itself out on its own
jmselton: it will
jmselton: you'll be fine
motobrock34: it seems to
jmselton: and life goes on
jmselton: and at your age it really isn't the end of the world at all.
motobrock34: you are so great to talk to, I never get the chance to talk about stuff like this
motobrock34: on gay.com the only chats I get are for cybersex or meet me now
motobrock34: and I don't have anyone else to talk to about stuff like this
motobrock34: so its cool
motobrock34: thanks
jmselton: you maybe should not go to gay.com
motobrock34: I joined mostly to talk
jmselton: well here i am
motobrock34: I'm glad too
motobrock34: glad I met you
jmselton: thank you
jmselton: a lot
motobrock34: YW
jmselton: and we will meet and have these talks in person some day.
jmselton: and i'll let you take me to red robin.
jmselton: because i like that place too.
motobrock34: I think I'd like that
jmselton: and i love steak
jmselton: really like the Keg on the coast.
motobrock34: the Keg, I think I been there...steak place right?
jmselton: yeah
jmselton: you get to seattle area much?
motobrock34: when I stayed at my buddies place in Bellvue we went there...it was flipping awsome
motobrock34: I had an awsome steak there
jmselton: it's a good place
motobrock34: I think it was in renton though because before dinner we went to this motorcycle store across the street that was the biggest mc place I have ever seen
jmselton: but you will find spencer's even better yet.
motobrock34: they had thousands of bikes and even had an indoor track to ride on
jmselton: whoa
jmselton: cool
jmselton: way too cool
motobrock34: spencer's is better than the Keg?
jmselton: too bad i'm not a rider.
jmselton: spencer's is 100 times better than the Keg.
jmselton: very up scale.
jmselton: you'll have to dress up.
motobrock34: ok, well thats where we are going then
jmselton: at least put on a sweater or a nice preppy shirt.
motobrock34: oh I have nice clothes
jmselton: good
jmselton: dress up boi
motobrock34: I just don't wear them much because we don't go to places like that too often...
jmselton: tell me how you like it.
jmselton: you sure they will take you there?
motobrock34: I will
motobrock34: I'd go ask now but I think they both went to bed
jmselton: you should too
motobrock34: they will take me tere, they said anywhere I chose
jmselton: good deal
motobrock34: choose
jmselton: and they will ask how did you pick this place dear?
motobrock34: that I heard it was the best place for steaks and thats what I want
motobrock34: :-)
jmselton: good for you.
jmselton: now go do your homework and go to bed.
motobrock34: you are right...as usual
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: talk to you on friday maybe?
jmselton: i'm looking at your pic here. you know of course you are very good looking.
motobrock34: thank you
jmselton: i'll be in Washinton D.C. friday and won't have this computer.
motobrock34: ah!
motobrock34: what r u doing in DC?
jmselton: seeing friends
motobrock34: you know rthe president right?
jmselton: i go there about twice a year.
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: you proly play golf with him
jmselton: i met the president when he was in spokane and once in seattle. but he doesn't really know me.
jmselton: yeah right.
motobrock34: u just have friends there?
jmselton: yup
motobrock34: I'd love to see it
jmselton: several.
jmselton: plus i do some business there.
jmselton: many many years ago i took a couple of high school interns with me on a business trip. it was fun to explore the city with them.
motobrock34: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
motobrock34: you are killing me here
motobrock34: I want an internship there!
motobrock34: so I can go to DC
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: hey! :-)
jmselton: hello.
jmselton: one day to go!!!
motobrock34: yesssssss!
motobrock34: my parents are gonna take me out tomorrow night
jmselton: where?
motobrock34: my choice ..... I kinda like Red Robin
jmselton: ah
jmselton: you should go somewhere memorable.
motobrock34: or Black Angus in the valley
motobrock34: at the mall, they have good steaks
jmselton: ever been to Luna's?
jmselton: or Anthony's?
jmselton: or Ankeny's?
jmselton: or Spencer's?
motobrock34: Luna's I don't think so, where is that?
motobrock34: I've heard of Anthony's
motobrock34: but never been to any of those places........:'(
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: Luna's is at 57th and Perry.
jmselton: you like steaks?
motobrock34: yeah
motobrock34: my fav
jmselton: ok, then screw black angus, which is ok, but tell your folks you want to go to spencer's.
jmselton: you will never ever have a better steak and the setting will be one you remember.
jmselton: you're an adult now.
jmselton: go fancy.
motobrock34: Spencers.....is that downtown right?
jmselton: yeah. in the Double Tree
jmselton: melt in your mouth steaks
motobrock34: oh man, thats gotta be pretty expensive then?
jmselton: and what's your point?
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: you dad must have money.
jmselton: didn't you say he sold cars?
jmselton: they make good bucks.
motobrock34: he's a sales manager yeah
jmselton: and when will you turn 18 again.
motobrock34: you're right
motobrock34: I do love steak
motobrock34: they would prolly loike gointg there too
jmselton: i took some out of town friends there. five of us was about $148.00.
jmselton: but then we didn't have drinks.
motobrock34: well, no drinks for me yet anyway
jmselton: you're dad will be blown away by you just saying you want to go there.
motobrock34: yeah, you know, they probably would really like going there themselves
jmselton: have they ever been?
motobrock34: I will ask them to go there then
jmselton: you are so easy.
motobrock34: they probably have, I don't know for sure
jmselton: do they belong to the golf club? or spokane club?
motobrock34: they go out about once a month or so
motobrock34: naw, they are 24hr fitness people
jmselton: ok
motobrock34: my parents are like your basic working class, really nice down to earth people
jmselton: thats cool
motobrock34: and I think they save a lot of thier money for me and college and for their retirment
jmselton: you have a good deal there.
motobrock34: they don't tell me but that's what I think
jmselton: you are smart
motobrock34: I see I can type again tonight! and TY
jmselton: you can
jmselton: how was your math last night?
motobrock34: it's a bitch!
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: I'm in honors math
jmselton: tough
jmselton: but i'm sure you manage
motobrock34: the homework is tough because you have to write the problems out and they take up like two pages just to write out
jmselton: ah
jmselton: beyond me
motobrock34: the answer isn't as important as writing the equation
jmselton: i took calculas in college. first time i flunked and second time i got a's but i can't do that now.
motobrock34: I go from thinking I'm getting an A to thinking I'm getting an F in the same night
motobrock34: but so far so good
motobrock34: I think I'll finish with an A in it
jmselton: good
motobrock34: did you decide what to do about the intenship with your company????
jmselton: i'm still thinking
motobrock34: r u worried cause I'm gay?
jmselton: i may ask a friend to get you an internship with his organization. you might like it better
jmselton: not because you are gay. but because you will know that i like guys.
jmselton: i like you a lot.
jmselton: but i'm also quite a bit older than you.
motobrock34: I understand
jmselton: you are too nice Brock
motobrock34: but you being older is cool, you know so much and have been around, it's great to talk to you because of that
jmselton: thanks
motobrock34: and you have made a success of your life but are like me
jmselton: yes
motobrock34: and kept that part to yourself
jmselton: you know i was married once.
jmselton: for about 5 years.
motobrock34: so you know, you are great to talk to
jmselton: ok
motobrock34: yeah, you told me that
jmselton: ok
jmselton: wasn't sure
motobrock34: it makes me think I shouldn't do that because I was wondering is I would
jmselton: hmmm
motobrock34: if, not is
motobrock34: if I would
jmselton: you know you might actually find a woman that you like a lot and i do miss not having kids. or at least a neat kid like you.
motobrock34: geeeze, thank you
motobrock34: yeah, that part I might miss, but I don't think I'd be a good husband
jmselton: just because you think you like guys sexually doesn't necessarily mean that you won't like girls that way too.
jmselton: there might be that one special girl out there some place.
jmselton: many guys go both ways.
motobrock34: maybe so, but it doesn't feel like that inside....maybe so if I ever met that person
motobrock34: I go out with girls sometimes now you know
jmselton: did you grow up thinking that sex before marriage was a bad thing?
motobrock34: good question. Kinda but I don't know, my parents never really preached to me about it
motobrock34: I think its more that I see with oter people when that happens, the girl sometimes get really attached and I KNOW for sure tat would bug me
motobrock34: I've seen that happen with some friends and the girls wouldn't leave them alone afterward
jmselton: i don't think its a good idea but sometimes i think my efforts to resist might have contributed to my liking guys easier. with a guy sexually there isn't the same level of commitment. like if you have sex it doesn't mean you have to marry him. with a girl it seemed like the right thing to do was marriage if you wanted sex.
motobrock34: and that would bug me
motobrock34: yeah, I guess that's kinda what I see
motobrock34: and the idea of being tied to a girl in that way is not appealing to me
jmselton: but then many gay guys drift from one sexual experience to another and thats how disease is spread.
jmselton: see you sound like me. commitment to one person seems a burden when I want to do so many things. and be totally independent. may be way too selfish but thats me i guess.
motobrock34: lol...I totally understand
jmselton: you are too smart for a kid of 17
motobrock34: but also, maybe it's not that selfish because I really don't think I would be a good husband for those reasons
motobrock34: and why hurt some girls feelings that was just wanting to have a nice marriage with kids and a husband
jmselton: and you think maybe it would be selfish to be married and not mean it.
motobrock34: yeah
motobrock34: I kinda think that
jmselton: yeah
jmselton: i worried about that when i was married.
motobrock34: especially if you had to get divorced larter and stuff
motobrock34: my parents have been togther the whole time
jmselton: but then i didn't admit to myself that i really liked guys until after our divorce. i would look at guys but never thought about sex with them.
motobrock34: and I think thats kind of cool
jmselton: your mother is going to want a grandkid you know.
motobrock34: I know
jmselton: mine did
motobrock34: I do know about that
motobrock34: that is why I was wondering if I would get married anyway
motobrock34: man, it's a tough deal
jmselton: it is
jmselton: but you have to do whats right.
motobrock34: but WHAT is right?
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: that is the question
jmselton: ah the question.
motobrock34: if I had bros and sisters it wouldn't be as big a deal
jmselton: ah,
jmselton: well my generation always said if it feels good do it.
motobrock34: well, I think having kids would be cool, I know my parents would want that, but I don't know about the girl I would marry and how happy she would be being married to someone who wanted to be with guy instead of her
motobrock34: and then if you get divorced your kids are not happy, you know
motobrock34: the whole deal
jmselton: true
motobrock34: i guess for now I should just worry about my freaking math homework
jmselton: and you lived a lie
jmselton: that is true
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: what are you bothering me for.?
jmselton: ;-)
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: hopefully all that stuff will just work itself out on its own
jmselton: it will
jmselton: you'll be fine
motobrock34: it seems to
jmselton: and life goes on
jmselton: and at your age it really isn't the end of the world at all.
motobrock34: you are so great to talk to, I never get the chance to talk about stuff like this
motobrock34: on gay.com the only chats I get are for cybersex or meet me now
motobrock34: and I don't have anyone else to talk to about stuff like this
motobrock34: so its cool
motobrock34: thanks
jmselton: you maybe should not go to gay.com
motobrock34: I joined mostly to talk
jmselton: well here i am
motobrock34: I'm glad too
motobrock34: glad I met you
jmselton: thank you
jmselton: a lot
motobrock34: YW
jmselton: and we will meet and have these talks in person some day.
jmselton: and i'll let you take me to red robin.
jmselton: because i like that place too.
motobrock34: I think I'd like that
jmselton: and i love steak
jmselton: really like the Keg on the coast.
motobrock34: the Keg, I think I been there...steak place right?
jmselton: yeah
jmselton: you get to seattle area much?
motobrock34: when I stayed at my buddies place in Bellvue we went there...it was flipping awsome
motobrock34: I had an awsome steak there
jmselton: it's a good place
motobrock34: I think it was in renton though because before dinner we went to this motorcycle store across the street that was the biggest mc place I have ever seen
jmselton: but you will find spencer's even better yet.
motobrock34: they had thousands of bikes and even had an indoor track to ride on
jmselton: whoa
jmselton: cool
jmselton: way too cool
motobrock34: spencer's is better than the Keg?
jmselton: too bad i'm not a rider.
jmselton: spencer's is 100 times better than the Keg.
jmselton: very up scale.
jmselton: you'll have to dress up.
motobrock34: ok, well thats where we are going then
jmselton: at least put on a sweater or a nice preppy shirt.
motobrock34: oh I have nice clothes
jmselton: good
jmselton: dress up boi
motobrock34: I just don't wear them much because we don't go to places like that too often...
jmselton: tell me how you like it.
jmselton: you sure they will take you there?
motobrock34: I will
motobrock34: I'd go ask now but I think they both went to bed
jmselton: you should too
motobrock34: they will take me tere, they said anywhere I chose
jmselton: good deal
motobrock34: choose
jmselton: and they will ask how did you pick this place dear?
motobrock34: that I heard it was the best place for steaks and thats what I want
motobrock34: :-)
jmselton: good for you.
jmselton: now go do your homework and go to bed.
motobrock34: you are right...as usual
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: talk to you on friday maybe?
jmselton: i'm looking at your pic here. you know of course you are very good looking.
motobrock34: thank you
jmselton: i'll be in Washinton D.C. friday and won't have this computer.
motobrock34: ah!
motobrock34: what r u doing in DC?
jmselton: seeing friends
motobrock34: you know rthe president right?
jmselton: i go there about twice a year.
motobrock34: lol
motobrock34: you proly play golf with him
jmselton: i met the president when he was in spokane and once in seattle. but he doesn't really know me.
jmselton: yeah right.
motobrock34: u just have friends there?
jmselton: yup
motobrock34: I'd love to see it
jmselton: several.
jmselton: plus i do some business there.
jmselton: many many years ago i took a couple of high school interns with me on a business trip. it was fun to explore the city with them.
motobrock34: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
motobrock34: you are killing me here
motobrock34: I want an internship there!
motobrock34: so I can go to DC
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: haha
jmselton: probably wouldn't take an intern now.
jmselton: maybe but probably not.
jmselton: not sure though
motobrock34: I'd be good company!
jmselton: i'm sure you would
jmselton: and it'd would be fun to explore
motobrock34: I sorta suck at goldf though so maybe I'd just caddy for you and the prez
jmselton: i love to show stuff to people for the first time.
jmselton: yeah right.
jmselton: last year i went to DC i got several of us into the white house for a special tour. it was hot.
motobrock34: oh man, that would be so cool
jmselton: now a good friend of mine just got elected to congress.
motobrock34: geeeze, you flipping know everybody!
jmselton: no
jmselton: but it may seem like that.
motobrock34: well, when do u leave?
jmselton: friday morning till tuesday next week.
motobrock34: oh pk
jmselton: by the way, happy birthday tomorrow.
motobrock34: ok
motobrock34: if we get home in time tomorrow I'll see if you are on line....and thank you
jmselton: ok
jmselton: enjoy dinner.
motobrock34: I think I will
motobrock34: hopefully i'll see you on tomorrow before you go but have an awsome time
jmselton: thanks
jmselton: i'm thinking of calling the resturant and telling them to make it special for you since it's your birthday.
motobrock34: oh shit...really, are u kidding me?
motobrock34: you know them too?
jmselton: yes
jmselton: one of the reasons i recommended them to you.
motobrock34: holy crap
jmselton: get off it.
jmselton: you know a lot of people too and so does your dad.
motobrock34: man, I can't call up nice restruants and ask them to take care of my peeps!
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: yes you can if you go there a lot.
motobrock34: well thank you
motobrock34: my parents might wonder though if its to over the top
jmselton: ok
jmselton: don't worry
motobrock34: so maybe just tell them I like my steak rare
motobrock34: lol
jmselton: not me man. i'm not getting in the way here.
jmselton: you enjoy yourself. i'll chat with you again when you are 18. take care. nite.
motobrock34: nite Jim, thank you for everything
motobrock34: :-D
jmselton: you're welcome
jmselton: although i haven't done anything yet.
motobrock34: u are a good friend and thats a lot
jmselton: ok then
motobrock34: nite my friend